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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on |
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the female
recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I often clean up
blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Jul 3, 7:24 am, "J.H. Holliday" <doc@okcorral> wrote:
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"Tom" <twils...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits
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female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
Most of the women in my office are total babes plus, I'm a pretty good
photographer--- so no image manipulation is necessary ;-)
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J.H. Holliday
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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"Tom" <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits
of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
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Most of the women in my office are total babes plus, I'm a pretty good
photographer--- so no image manipulation is necessary ;-) |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Tom wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the female
recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I often clean up
blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
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It's easier and better to do a more subtle touchup, than try
and retropectively hide an unsubtle touchup.
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Caesar Romano
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 02:55:33 -0700, Tom <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote Re
How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?:
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My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
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Are you re-saving the image between each sharpen/blur cycle? |
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Tom
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:34:48 -0500, Caesar Romano wrote:
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My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
Are you re-saving the image between each sharpen/blur cycle?
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I was wondering about that. At the moment, I actually run two blurs and one
sharpen. All in the same cycle.
I was wondering if a sharpen and then a blur is exactly the opposite (is
it?) algorithm?
But, the only problem is the picture gets grainy. A bit too grainy since
I've already resized to 640x480 at 72dpi.
That brings up another question ... do you edit the ORIGINAL (8mpixel)
image and then shrink to an emailable size or do you shrink and then fix
blemishes and wrinkles and spots and flash correction?
Does anyone have a freeware blemish/wrinkle correction tutorial technique
published? |
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M.L.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the
female
recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I often clean
up
blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your
portraits of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
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Vicman's Photo Toolkit has excellent blemish removal and correction
tools that make it unnecessary to over-smooth photos.
http://www.photo-toolkit.com/ |
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Kabuki Armadillo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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"Tom" <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits
of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
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Get Vicman Photo! Editor. It has a very good submodule called Makeup which
does an excellent job of removing blemishes without being obvious. It also
has a warp submodule which I have used to "thin out" extra wide cheeks,
extra chins, etc.
http://www.vicman.net/vcwphoto/
For more control, get Paint.net. It can do layers and layers allow you to be
much more subtle.
http://www.getpaint.net/
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Tom
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:16:34 -0500, M.L. wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
Vicman's Photo Toolkit has excellent blemish removal and correction
tools that make it unnecessary to over-smooth photos.
http://www.photo-toolkit.com/
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It's good to know the recommended freeware touchup tool is Vicman's "Photo!
Editor" which is what I already use.
What I really am looking for is how you hide the smoothing that goes on.
For example, if you remove a wrinkle, you get, by necessity, a smoother
face but it's too smooth, too blurry. Too homogeneous in the pixels.
So, I sharpen. That makes it look a little less homogenious. And then I
blur. Both with Irfanview.
I was wondering if there was a better tool that masked the smoothing that
occurs when I remove wrinkles with Vicman Photo! Editor (which is the
successor of Vicman's photo toolkit).
Is there a blemish correction tutorial out there yet? |
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David Remley
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:24:35 GMT, Kabuki Armadillo wrote:
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"Tom" <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
For more control, get Paint.net.
http://www.getpaint.net/
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I tried Paint.Net but I keep getting a gray/white checkerboard whenever I
cut a layer.
Do you know how to get rid of that checkerboard and just get straight black
or straight white after I cut out an objectionable layer? |
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Frank ess
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Tom wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the
female recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I
often clean up blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows
freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just
"too smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of
IrvanView "sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the
trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your
portraits of female coworkers in order to make them appear better
in your pics?
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All else fails (and this "office-taken" is as I interpret, snapshot,
not portrait work), save an original, blow the copy up to 2x or 4x
size, do your camouflage, and resample it to sending size, and with a
final subtle sharpening. If they don't have the original for
comparison, and you've done a reasonable job, it won't be easy to
detect the alterations.
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Tom
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:43:48 -0700, Frank ess wrote:
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save an original, blow the copy up to 2x or 4x
size, do your camouflage, and resample it to sending size, and with a
final subtle sharpening. If they don't have the original for
comparison, and you've done a reasonable job, it won't be easy to
detect the alterations.
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That's the kind of advice I was looking for!
Yes, these are informal take-em-while-you-can-get-em types shots.
Everyone says "my camera takes good pictures" so they always ask me to do
office events like picnics and the like. They don't know it but if it's a
closeup, I clean 'em up a bit, removing spots, and most importantly,
wrinkles.
I don't want 'em to know I'm doing this 'cuz they keep asking me to do
more. If they found out, they'd kill me.
Problem is, they look too blurry to me after I've done 'em unless I sharpen
a few times, but then that makes 'em look too grainy (especially since I
work on the downsized photos).
Do I understand your suggested technique right?
1. Open the original (large megapixel & dpi) in Vicman's Photo Editor
2. Hit the plus (+) button to zoom in on the face on the large original
3. Use the Vicman blemish, spot removal, and smoothing brush as needed.
----< now comes the fancy stuff >----
4. First, resample to 640x480 and set to 72 DPI in IrfanView
5. Then, sharpen once, again in IrfanView, to make it less smooth
6. Then send it in the email to the office alias
Is that the recommended set of steps?
Do you think the DPI matters? |
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Paul Furman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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David Remley wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:24:35 GMT, Kabuki Armadillo wrote:
"Tom" <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wm1bk.9452$89.7078@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
For more control, get Paint.net.
http://www.getpaint.net/
I tried Paint.Net but I keep getting a gray/white checkerboard whenever I
cut a layer.
Do you know how to get rid of that checkerboard and just get straight black
or straight white after I cut out an objectionable layer?
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Put a white or black layer below... the checkerboard just indicates 'clear'.
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Paul Furman
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www.baynatives.com
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Tim
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Tom wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:34:48 -0500, Caesar Romano wrote:
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just
"too smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of
IrvanView "sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the
trick.
Are you re-saving the image between each sharpen/blur cycle?
I was wondering about that. At the moment, I actually run two blurs
and one sharpen. All in the same cycle.
I was wondering if a sharpen and then a blur is exactly the opposite
(is it?) algorithm?
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No, they're not even all that closely related. Blur works on everything, a
good sharpening algorithm works only on the edges within the image.
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But, the only problem is the picture gets grainy. A bit too grainy
since I've already resized to 640x480 at 72dpi.
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The continual resaving of a JPG results in multiple recompression of the
image. JPG compression is "lossy", which means that your image loses some
information with each resave. The graininess is mainly caused by the colour
information being compressed in 8 or 16 pixel square blocks, which become
more simplified with each successive save. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact.
Also, the 72dpi has nothing to do with how your image is seen on screen. At
100% zoom your image will always be 640 pixels wide and 480 pixels high, and
will always look exactly the same, whether the resolution is set to 1 pixel
per inch or1000 pixels per inch. (The correct unit of resolution is "pixels"
not "dots" per inch).
The popular misconception is that the resolution is some measure of the
quality of the image. It's not though. It is only a conversion factor for
printing, nothing more. In this case it means that, without any further
scaling, you will produce a printed image that is 8.89 inches (640/72) by
6.67 inches (480/72). It won't be a very good print though... anything less
than a resolution of about 200 ppi produces a low quality, pixelated print.
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That brings up another question ... do you edit the ORIGINAL (8mpixel)
image and then shrink to an emailable size or do you shrink and then
fix blemishes and wrinkles and spots and flash correction?
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Always edit the original, and save in a lossless format while editing.
Suitable formats would be TIF, PNG, BMP or the native format of the image
editor. When you've finished, save your master edit, in its lossless format.
Only then mmake your smaller copy for onscreen, web or email use. This
involves resizing, possibly sharpening (resizing usually causes some loss of
sharpness), and saving in the JPG format. Ideally you would save in some
manner that allows you to change the amount of compression used so that you
can get a good tradeoff between quality and filesize.
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Does anyone have a freeware blemish/wrinkle correction tutorial
technique published?
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The best solution would be to use software that will allow you to work in
layers. The bottom layer would contain the original image and you would do
the skin smoothing on a copy on a second layer. Then, if the correction
looks too strong, you can lower the opacity of the top layer to allow some
of the original to bleed through.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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| AFAIK, the only sure way is to kill the women. |
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