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 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 02:55:33 -0700, Tom <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the female
recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I often clean up
blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
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PhotoFiltre http://photofiltre.free.fr/download_en.htm
Filter-->Sharpen-->Reinforce
regards
Dud
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:55:33, Tom wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on
women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to
the female recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them,
I often clean up blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor"
Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just
"too smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of
IrvanView "sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the
trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your
portraits of female coworkers in order to make them appear better
in your pics?
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smudge brush in that app is ok.not best.
better use other editor with better smudge. less need to clean up. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:09:05 GMT, Tim wrote:
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Always edit the original, save in a lossless format while editing.
TIF, PNG, BMP
resizing, possibly sharpening and saving in the JPG format
with compression
if the correction looks too strong, you can lower the opacity
of the top layer to allow some of the original to bleed through.
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Excellent recommendations and a good start of a freeware touchup tutorial
for the masses!
Vicman phototoolkit (aka photo editor) does have the ability to set the
opacity (I wasn't sure what that was) ... is the vicman opacity the same as
the layer opacity you are talking about here? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Hash: RIPEMD160
Tim wrote:
<big snip>
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Always edit the original, and save in a lossless format while editing.
Suitable formats would be TIF, PNG, BMP or the native format of the image
editor. When you've finished, save your master edit, in its lossless format.
Only then mmake your smaller copy for onscreen, web or email use. This
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Excellent post. I wanted to just add a blurb here about resizing. If
your original is significantly larger than your intended "production"
image you might want to try resizing in increments and applying some
sharpening in between. Without saving of course, to avoid any potential
compression loss if you happen to be working in a format where it's an
issue.
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Tom
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:09:05 GMT, Tim wrote:
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No, they're not even all that closely related. Blur works on everything, a
good sharpening algorithm works only on the edges within the image.
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Hi Tim,
Does this sound reasonable as a first pass at a freeware touchup tutorial?
- Make a copy of the original large-sized photo
- Open the copy in Vicman Photo Editor freeware
- Edit using the Photo Editor brush, spot remover & teeth whitener
- Enhance breasts slightly (if needed) with the caracature tool
- Thin the waist slightly (if needed) with the caracature tool
- Save losslessly as a tif, png, or bmp directly from Photo Editor
- Resize to 640x480 & 72 DPI and resharpen in IrfanView freeware
- Save as a JPG with 85% compression with IrfanView freeware
- Mail to office mates as needed
- Wait for them to marvel how good your pictures come out of them! |
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Tom
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:29:27 -0400, Duddits wrote:
Combining your recommendation with the prior ones, is this reasonable as a
freeware method to quietly enhance ad hoc snapshots of female coworkers?
- Make a copy of the original large-sized photo
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- Open the copy of the original in Vicman Photo Editor freeware
- Edit skin using the Photo Editor brush, spot remover & teeth whitener
- Save losslessly as a tif, png, or bmp directly from Photo Editor
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- After working the skin, work on the body in Photo Editor freeware
- Enhance breasts slightly (if needed) with the caracature tool
- Thin the waist slightly (if needed) with the caracature tool
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- Open the lossless file in PhotoFiltre freeware
- Run the Filter->Sharpen->Reinforce step in PhotoFiltre freeware
- Save losslessly as a tif, png, or bmp directly from PhotoFiltre
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- Open the lossless file in IrvanView freeware
- Resize to 640x480 & 72 DPI and resharpen in IrfanView freeware
- Save as a JPG with 85% compression with IrfanView freeware
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- Email the small JPG to office mates as an attachment
- Wait for the rave reviews ("your camera takes great pictures")
- Repeat as needed
Question:
Did I add the Photofiltre "filter-sharpen-reinfoce" steps at the right
point in this newly written freeware tutorial for touching up ad hoc
portraits? |
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Ron Hunter
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Tom wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the female
recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I often clean up
blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
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I don't often do this, as I was going to hide a niece's birthmark, and
my wife about had a cow. The mark faded, and her face is not unmarked,
so I guess I was right. I do hide 'zits' on teens, if I think it will
make them happier with the picture. |
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Tim
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Tom wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:09:05 GMT, Tim wrote:
No, they're not even all that closely related. Blur works on
everything, a good sharpening algorithm works only on the edges
within the image.
Hi Tim,
Does this sound reasonable as a first pass at a freeware touchup
tutorial?
- Make a copy of the original large-sized photo
- Open the copy in Vicman Photo Editor freeware
- Edit using the Photo Editor brush, spot remover & teeth whitener
- Enhance breasts slightly (if needed) with the caracature tool
- Thin the waist slightly (if needed) with the caracature tool
- Save losslessly as a tif, png, or bmp directly from Photo Editor
- Resize to 640x480 & 72 DPI and resharpen in IrfanView freeware
- Save as a JPG with 85% compression with IrfanView freeware
- Mail to office mates as needed
- Wait for them to marvel how good your pictures come out of them!
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Sounds very reasonable. Plus one more step -
- Avoid telling the subject how much editing you did on their photo.
Answering that question would be as silly as getting drawn into a discussion
that starts "Does my butt look big in this dress?".
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Susan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
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I don't often do this, as I was going to hide a niece's birthmark, and
my wife about had a cow. The mark faded, and her face is not unmarked,
so I guess I was right. I do hide 'zits' on teens, if I think it will
make them happier with the picture.
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Spots are easy.
It's the wrinkles that are difficult.
And the fat. |
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hummingbird
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:46:29 -0700 'Susan'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
I don't often do this, as I was going to hide a niece's birthmark, and
my wife about had a cow. The mark faded, and her face is not unmarked,
so I guess I was right. I do hide 'zits' on teens, if I think it will
make them happier with the picture.
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Spots are easy.
It's the wrinkles that are difficult.
And the fat.
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Are you speaking from experience? ;-)
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Chris Malcolm
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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In rec.photo.digital Tom <twilson3@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:16:34 -0500, M.L. wrote:
How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
Vicman's Photo Toolkit has excellent blemish removal and correction
tools that make it unnecessary to over-smooth photos.
http://www.photo-toolkit.com/
It's good to know the recommended freeware touchup tool is Vicman's "Photo!
Editor" which is what I already use.
What I really am looking for is how you hide the smoothing that goes on.
For example, if you remove a wrinkle, you get, by necessity, a smoother
face but it's too smooth, too blurry. Too homogeneous in the pixels.
So, I sharpen. That makes it look a little less homogenious. And then I
blur. Both with Irfanview.
I was wondering if there was a better tool that masked the smoothing that
occurs when I remove wrinkles with Vicman Photo! Editor (which is the
successor of Vicman's photo toolkit).
Is there a blemish correction tutorial out there yet?
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I'm just guessing, because I've never done this, but if I did, I'd try
using an image noise reduction tool to remove this kind of "skin
noise".
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Bob Williams
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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Tom wrote:
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How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkles on women?
I get credit for "taking good pictures" because, unbeknownst to the female
recipients, before sending office-taken photos to them, I often clean up
blemishes and wrinkles with "Photo! Editor" Windows freeware.
My problem is sometimes the touchup is visible because it's just "too
smooth" so what I do to hide the fact is I run a series of IrvanView
"sharpen" and "blur" actions ... which seems to do the trick.
But, I wonder.
What steps do YOU take to hide the fact you've cleaned up your portraits of
female coworkers in order to make them appear better in your pics?
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You probably need a more powerful/versatile Photo Editor.
In Photoshop 7.0, I use the Clone Tool or the Healing Brush Tool
By selecting a fairly low opacity, I can leave as much or as little of
the original flaw as desirable.
The problem with some Photo Editors is that they completely remove the
flaw and it looks strange.
Bob Williams |
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Meghan Noecker
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On 4 Jul 2008 07:43:15 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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Is there a blemish correction tutorial out there yet?
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I've seen some great examples in a book intended for use with
photoshop CS. Thre are instructions for removing wrinkles and
blemishes, whitening eyes and teeth, slimming down love handles, etc.
The book I have is by Scott Kelby and is intended for digital
photographers.
The wrinkle removal is not a total removal and it tends to look fake
to see people without wrinkles when they've had them for ages. But it
does reduce them and give a better look. It involves layers so that
you fix one layer completely and then adjust the opacity until you get
the look you want.
I have no idea if the program mentioned can do layers. |
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PCPaul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: How do you hide the fact you fixed blemishes and wrinkle |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:46:29 -0700, Susan wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:46:15 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
I don't often do this, as I was going to hide a niece's birthmark, and
my wife about had a cow. The mark faded, and her face is not unmarked,
so I guess I was right. I do hide 'zits' on teens, if I think it will
make them happier with the picture.
Spots are easy.
It's the wrinkles that are difficult. And the fat.
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