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VanguardLH wrote:
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Part V
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reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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VanguardLH wrote:
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Part VI
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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Ron May wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:30:26 -0700, John Corliss
jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote:
Ron, you make a good point in that it's easy to set up a free account
with, say, Yahoo or the like for actually providing a way to communicate
via email.
I've made my Yahoo email address public here many times, but am still
nervous about using it constantly in my headers.
Anyone who puts a real email address in their Usenet headers
(including me) should expect to get spammed severely. On my Hotmail
address, it doesn't matter though because mail goes through several
stages of filtering.
The first is MSN/Hotmail's spam filters (not great, but better than
nothing.) The second is a domain block list on Hotmail I've built up
over the years that's almost like a hosts file in terms of
effectiveness, and it does most of the heavy lifting. Finally, on the
client side, I have Agent's Bayesian and Route by Identity (RBI) spam
filtering system. End result is that maybe 3-4 spam emails a week get
through on that address, but I still get the messages I want to get.
I can live with those kind of numbers, but I'd never risk using an
email address I really cared about on Usenet. If I had to start over
from scratch, I'd probably go with a dedicated Gmail account because
of Gmail's excellent spam filtering capabilities, and follow that up
with a good client side filter to catch what slips by.
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When I used a true e-mail address in my posts, I also included a
signature. It stated that a passcode string must be added to the
Subject header to bypass my automatic filter. If the passcode wasn't in
the Subject header, and since that account was only used for
newsgroup-initiated e-mails, only humans sent e-mails there. Spambots
don't know how to read instructions. What they harvest doesn't include
the instructions. Their harvest is not reviewed by a spammer. The
spammer uses bulk mailing programs that will insert a Subject line based
on their criteria, not mine.
Malcontents that put my passcode in the Subject or body of their posts
still did not get it harvested by the spambots. They might've gotten my
e-mail address harvested by spambots but any spam to that account was
immediately deleted upon arrival unless it contained the passcode.
Malcontents that might've submitted my e-mail address to register or
record my e-mail address at a spam-friendly or spam-sourcing site still
wouldn't get past my filter since they won't have the passcode in the
Subject. If the account ever did get spammed, changing the passcode in
the filter and in my signature was easy and immediate.
I didn't need to munge my e-mail address. This causes problems for some
users of various e-mail clients when they tried to edit the To field in
their e-mail client. As soon as they tried to edit the string, it got
wiped and the user would have to enter it all manually. It did require
that they add the passcode somewhere within the Subject header. The
passcode was a scramble of alphanumeric characters, including one or two
non-alphanumerics, no spaces, but usually limited to 4 or 5 characters
maximum length. It was unique enough that it never appeared in spam
e-mails. It was equivalent to a strong password within that
deliberately short length (since I didn't want to overly encumber the
human sender).
I first started with the munged e-mail address. Then I went to a munged
e-mail address with the passcoded Subject header. After a while of
checking that no spam got through the passcoded newsgroups-only e-mail
account, I removed the munge. I didn't get any spams into that special
account when using a true e-mail address that required the passcoded
Subject.
Eventually I abandoned having an e-mail account dedicated for
newsgroup-related e-mails. I want the discussion to remain in the
thread in Usenet, not get disconnected by someone taking it offline via
e-mail. I don't participate in any newsgroups where the discussion is
sensitive or for some reason needs to be taken away from the newsgroup
discussion. In only a couple cases where I needed to take the
discussion offline, I used a disposable account or e-mail alias that
self-expired and required specific headers or content from the sender.
In 99.99% of the discussions, I don't want it going offline via e-mail.
In fact, in the signature that mentioned what passcode had to be added
when sending e-mail, I also specified that replies should be to the
newsgroup to share with others. I'm speaking in public and intend to
keep that discussion in public. (And since Usenet is a public
communication venue, I also have a strong dislike against the use of the
X-No-Archive header but those who want to punch holes in the thread.)
Most NSPs do not require a valid e-mail address in the From header in
posts submitted through them. That is evident by using munged e-mail
addresses or using .invalid as the TLD. Some do want a validly syntaxed
e-mail address string in the From header. I've even ran into one that
required the From value be a validly syntaxed e-mail address and that it
match the e-mail address recorded for my account registered for use of
that NSP. In the last case, I would go back to the passcoded Subject
and a special account used only for newsgroup-initiated e-mails.
Spambots can go on harvesting it and malcontents can go on posting it
but the spam gets immediately discard upon arrival so I never see it. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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VanguardLH wrote:
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Part I
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reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Little Luke <fjcamper@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 3, 11:15 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:35:26 -0700 (PDT), Little Luke <lukeridenh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 12:53 am, "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
something negative about another poster using terms like troll and
sockpuppet and posting from an anonmizing remailer
Posting negative ad hominem things about other posters or posting from
anonymous remailers - either or both are likely to get you filtered by
some.
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Mike Easter
Thank you Mike Easter I looked up anonymous remailers. This guy
doesn't want me to know who he is, good thing, i have taken clowns
like this and reached through their butt and pulled their dick inside
out. You hearing me clown? Come out clown and show your clown face,
give me an address, let's meet and kiss. You have my address Clown
come and get some of me clown.
I'll let my cousins in Jacksonville know about you. ;-)
You do that. NAS JAX boys?
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No, just regular non-spamming civilians.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rockford 5, Houston 2 (April 25)
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Dave U. Random
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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VanguardLH wrote:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/430995a7aa28c99b/fb0672c1a232f683#fb0672c1a232f683
From that link, Little Luke posted from IP address = 76.101.10.138
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Good lord you're one willfully ignorant SOB. First of all, nice
snip and run from the fact that you're whining about people
"hiding" when you're exactly as guilty of it as everyone you're
whining about.
Second of all, I'll re-post the same huge list of message ID's that
someone posted here just a while ago broken up in chunks, because
apparently you were napping. Check every damned one if you like,
they're all from the exact same IP address. It's hashed, but every
one is identical. The troll your ignorant ass is defending uses
dozens of nyms and every free server he can abuse. In fact the
troll managed to get kicked off two of them already. Maybe more,
since the fucker is now playing his nymhopping games via Google.
Take your time, hypocrite hiding behind a false identity, but if
you don't "get it" from the info I'm providing *again* don't waste
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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VanguardLH wrote:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:04:14 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
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Ron May wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:30:26 -0700, John Corliss
jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote:
Ron, you make a good point in that it's easy to set up a free account
with, say, Yahoo or the like for actually providing a way to
communicate
via email.
I've made my Yahoo email address public here many times, but am still
nervous about using it constantly in my headers.
Anyone who puts a real email address in their Usenet headers
(including me) should expect to get spammed severely. On my Hotmail
address, it doesn't matter though because mail goes through several
stages of filtering.
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I have a few old email accounts which I use for various things...an old
gmail account I use here which is munged. However, for the most part I use
alias'. I don't have to worry about them at all. If spam starts coming, I
delete the alias or route it to another account. My primary email account
never has spam in it. Of course only family and friends know it.
Using alias' specifically identifying the recipient, let's you know who
sells your email to spammers. I promptly send a scathing reply to the
offender and unsubscribe from their service.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:04:14 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Ron May wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:30:26 -0700, John Corliss
jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote:
Ron, you make a good point in that it's easy to set up a free account
with, say, Yahoo or the like for actually providing a way to
communicate
via email.
I've made my Yahoo email address public here many times, but am still
nervous about using it constantly in my headers.
Anyone who puts a real email address in their Usenet headers
(including me) should expect to get spammed severely. On my Hotmail
address, it doesn't matter though because mail goes through several
stages of filtering.
I have a few old email accounts which I use for various things...an old
gmail account I use here which is munged. However, for the most part I use
alias'. I don't have to worry about them at all. If spam starts coming, I
delete the alias or route it to another account. My primary email account
never has spam in it. Of course only family and friends know it.
Using alias' specifically identifying the recipient, let's you know who
sells your email to spammers. I promptly send a scathing reply to the
offender and unsubscribe from their service.
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I use sneakemail.com for e-mail aliases. Like you said, by creating a
unique one and doling it to just one recipient then you can identify who
caused you to be spammed through that alias. However, an alias divulged
publicly, like in Usenet, does not identify a unique recipient of that
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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Hash: RIPEMD160
VanguardLH wrote:
I think that's the point. It's the same IP address Ari, Brenda, Luke,
Fred Sanders, John M. Martin, Loverly Vagina, Pus Pockets, Mxsmanic,
Tim Blite, Ron Rechtum, Ronnie Rataj, Ted Sherman, Madhav, and about two
dozen "other people" use. Hell, even Bear Bottoms and Hummingbird seem
to have posted from there on occasion. Ye's he's not just a troll, he's
a forger.
Anonymous is right. This "person" is nothing but net scum. Its sole
reason or existing is to cross post and flame, just to cause trouble.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/26d7ac03a7ee6ccf
Ari, according to the Path and Message-ID, posted through albasani.net,
not Google Groups. Albasani used an encoded value in the
NNTP-Posting-Host header (wz5ME2QgDMBB+C3tLiWhWBV7fmpKQBirmi/HELLd2z4=)
for Ari's post. Presumably only Albasani knows how to decode it, unless
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We've already established the fact that Ari and Brenda, and the dozens
of other troll nyms, all post from the same IP. We got confirmation from
the admins of one of the servers it abused that the encoded values all
pointed to the exact same place. None of that is in question. Nor is the
obvious childishness and vulgarity the troll uses in every permutation.
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you're claiming that it uses some standard encoding scheme that some
generally available and free utility can decode. So I cannot compare
Ari's IP address to Little Luke's.
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Some do, some don't. Or rather, the tool they use is standard because
it's a hash function, but some include a "password" in the hashed text,
or the time/date/MID/etc so that each hash is different all the time.
Some simply hash the IP itself, and those will all be the same even if
you can't "decode" them.
This particular troll was nailed right here in this group, by
Hummingbird I believe. Or at least he got the ball rolling. An anonymous
poster did the rest.
The server that nailed him was AIOE, which hashes the IP or IP+password
so every NNTP-Posting-Host is consistent. And the anonymous poster
relayed an email flatly stating that the IP had been banned from that
server. That's what started the Albasani and Individual.net phase. And
now, probably due to the numbers of complaints being made, the troll has
turned to Google but apparently didn't realize Google forwards your IP
with every post.
They're not, they simply mask a poster's IP address. They have the
ability to know what IP address each post came from.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/c1cd8a4d65fc9f3c
It looks like he went through highwinds-media from IP address
70.186.191.14 (Cox). While you can try to deduce the source from the
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That post was from Bear Bottoms.
Are you trying to pull something here?
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headers, Ari seems to be all over on multiple servers. Plus, some NNTP
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Yes. He absolutely is "all over on multiple servers". That too is the
point. His abuse probably extends far beyond even the notably large
amount he's subject this group to.
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hosts let the user specify their own Path header (I just found one a
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That's why I never pay attention to path headers. :)
Ironically enough though, "Ari" has tried to forge path headers and been
caught.
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couple days ago, Altopia.net) so the poster can bogify the headers with
which you are trying to identify them, allowing them to hide or better
imposter someone else. Hell, most NNTP hosts don't even override the
Message-ID header to put in their own despite whatever the user used for
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What does message ID have to do with it? We're all aware they're
optionally generated by the client most of the time.
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I then went searching on Little Luke posts in this newsgroups (26 of
them in 9 threads and only going back 2 days ago). They all went
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Right about the time "Ari" seemed to disappear. Immediately after
someone made a post suggesting they were going to forward all the trolls
abuse to the two servers he stated using after he was thrown off AIOE.
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through Google Groups from IP address 76.101.10.138 which is Comcast.
Did Ari ever post while on Comcast?
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Yes. Using multiple identities.
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The X-Trace value is different. Same user, very probably using the same
computer, through the same NSP yet the X-Trace will be different on
every post.
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That's because X-Trace contains different information than posting host
headers.
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From your link, I see the link between Little Luke and Brenda ...
possibly. It requires that Little Luke's dynamic IP address didn't
change because it's lease expired and Little Luke rebooted or power
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They've all been using the same IP address for what seems like years.
And the very first post "Luke" made, was about "Ari and Brenda". It's
the one that outed him that was referenced above.
A dynamic IP address reassigned to a user who happens to know the
previous owner? And also reads Usenet let alone posts to the same
newsgroups... *about* that previous owner??
Puhlease...
How thin would you like to try and stretch things here, guy? ;)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:04:14 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
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When I used a true e-mail address in my posts, I also included a
signature. It stated that a passcode string must be added to the
Subject header to bypass my automatic filter. If the passcode wasn't in
the Subject header, and since that account was only used for
newsgroup-initiated e-mails, only humans sent e-mails there.
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Now that *IS* an excellent suggestion for a dedicated email account. I
know you said you used a strong passcode, but but even a simple one
would suffice. It's the CAPTCHA method without the graphic. No real
way for an automated system to put the two together, and even if some
idiot tries to sign you up for "fr33 pr0n" there's no way to get the
passcode in the subject line. OTOH, any human who could conceivably
want to contact you at that email address would already have the
passcode and know how to use it.
I love elegant solutions.
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(I filter Googlespam)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:37:41 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:04:14 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Ron May wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:30:26 -0700, John Corliss
jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote:
Ron, you make a good point in that it's easy to set up a free account
with, say, Yahoo or the like for actually providing a way to
communicate
via email.
I've made my Yahoo email address public here many times, but am still
nervous about using it constantly in my headers.
Anyone who puts a real email address in their Usenet headers
(including me) should expect to get spammed severely. On my Hotmail
address, it doesn't matter though because mail goes through several
stages of filtering.
I have a few old email accounts which I use for various things...an old
gmail account I use here which is munged. However, for the most part I
use
alias'. I don't have to worry about them at all. If spam starts coming,
I
delete the alias or route it to another account. My primary email
account
never has spam in it. Of course only family and friends know it.
Using alias' specifically identifying the recipient, let's you know who
sells your email to spammers. I promptly send a scathing reply to the
offender and unsubscribe from their service.
I use sneakemail.com for e-mail aliases. Like you said, by creating a
unique one and doling it to just one recipient then you can identify who
caused you to be spammed through that alias. However, an alias divulged
publicly, like in Usenet, does not identify a unique recipient of that
alias.
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But of course my good man. It doesn't take long for spam to roll in from
email addy's exposed to Usenet. GMail does do a good job of filtering
though. When I order online say from XYZ, I provide my email addy as
XYZ@domain.com. If I recieve spam from that addy, I immediately stop doing
business with that company and tell them why.
I have been asked by companies why their name is part of the email addy,
and I tell them. I rarely get spam from those.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Re: gmail posters |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:08:45 -0500, Ron May <mayron@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:04:14 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
When I used a true e-mail address in my posts, I also included a
signature. It stated that a passcode string must be added to the
Subject header to bypass my automatic filter. If the passcode wasn't in
the Subject header, and since that account was only used for
newsgroup-initiated e-mails, only humans sent e-mails there.
Now that *IS* an excellent suggestion for a dedicated email account. I
know you said you used a strong passcode, but but even a simple one
would suffice. It's the CAPTCHA method without the graphic. No real
way for an automated system to put the two together, and even if some
idiot tries to sign you up for "fr33 pr0n" there's no way to get the
passcode in the subject line. OTOH, any human who could conceivably
want to contact you at that email address would already have the
passcode and know how to use it.
I love elegant solutions.
V-What happens to the filtered emails? Do you download them and filter |
them to the dustbin or do they remain on the server?
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info |
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